Thursday, September 2, 2010

“Alternative” Porn – Suicide Girls and Barely Rotten Girls: Sexualizing violence, Embracing White Male Supremacy and Reinforcing Gender Roles

I have a rant so ignore my grammatical errors. As a radical, anti-exploitation feminist I simply cannot wrap my head around the fact that some women embrace the harm of other women. I always hear of a few women who love pretending that the porn industry or the fashion industry can be liberating or “cool”. I don’t understand it. A particular kind of porn seems to appeal to a lot of subcultures, this “alternative” porn bullshit.


This encompasses suicide girls and various other “underground” pornography set up by sadomasochism enthusiasts to exploit women the same, sexist way but adding tattoos and piercing to make it “alternative”.


Well, all that is different is the women are put in leather outfits and covered in cliché tattoos like pin up girls and stars. But wait! It’s UNDERGROUND so it’s cool! Wrong. First of all, it’s NOT underground or alternative in 2010 to have tattoos, if anyone has noticed; most people are pierced up and tattooed. I don’t see how this is “alternative” when the women are still portrayed as nymphomaniacs awaiting to please a man. I hear the most pitiful excuses from “alt porn” users, one that is common is “They are illustrating REAL women, real women with breasts and butts!” Well, maybe a few women are in their healthy weight zone when posing for suicide girls but it doesn’t really offer much besides basically thin white girls in lame outfits with tattoos portraying cartoonish women in bikinis.


Another thing I hear a lot of is that this “alt” porn is replacing or changing regular ole’ porn. Bullshit. Why? Because it’s no different, you slap on a few tattoos and that’s it! There are so many of these counter culture porno cliques floating around and some of them go as far as showcasing half-killed women. I mean, what’s sexier than a woman who is dead? I mean, Jesus Christ here people…are you serious?


A troubling example of a “company” that uses half-dead women for masturbation accessories is “Barely Rotten Girls”. This is true, is swear! They also call these women “pin ups”, which brings me to another point. Fuck this pinup bullshit. Why would you want to be a pinup? Why the aspiration lately? I know it’s part of the cheesy subculture but come on, do you really want some dude to put you on his wall so he can jack off to you all night? But I digress. On this site these douchebags (both men, of course) show photos of women with fake blood, slit necks and bruises but still make them pose with a sultry stare. It makes me want to scream “fuck you!” as loud as possible to the ear of everyone that jacks off to this shit. Oh but of course the cliché zombie bullshit defenders will claim this is all just so quirky and ironically in bad “horror” taste, right? People will say it’s artistic and somehow deep. Well, the truth is you can be artistic and all that jazz but when you make a website dedicated to exclusively showing photos of nearly slaughtered women (which they love to call “girls”) than you’re not an artist, you’re a fucking douche bag who makes money exploiting women and encouraging people to view violence as sexy.

I wish people would wake the fuck up and smell the java. I wish people would stop finding violence sexy and creating equally violent, sexist and degrading material for other douchebags to jack off to.

I’m done.

100 comments:

  1. Holy shit, don't get me wrong, I love zombies and ghouls and goo... a lot, but t-shirts that say "Dead is Hotter" is just fuuuucked up. It's just the same bullshit pseudo-lesbian crap that they post on main-male-stream pornography sites only with some several thousand layers of extra photoshop and SFX makeup. Oh and a "corpse" sitting somewhere off centre.

    There's really nothing "alternative" about these images at all - turn on the news, you will see violence and sexualised violence, same on shows like CSI right through to shit like Desperate Housewives.

    They're not even trying to be scary with these pictures, if I see a photo of a "zombie" I wanna be reaching for my titanium crowbar, not for a box of tissues (either for wanking or crying from tears of exhaustion of seeing this shit EVERYWHERE) which these guys clearly seem to miss.

    They even encourage their fans (only the female ones though!) to dress up as sexy corpses and send their pictures in. I can't believe womyn are actively participating in this shit.

    Honestly, I don't know what pisses me off - sexualised violence against womyn or sexy zombies. Zombies are supposed to be such a strong piece of symbolism and they've just been watered down into "oh cool, gore".

    I bet none of these womyn (or men!) have actually seen/or smelt a dead body in real life, otherwise, I guarantee you this crap wouldn't be as popular. It's saddening and they fucking stink.

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  2. I honestly don't get it. I mean I get people liking horror and stuff, I'm a huge horror fan...But christ...I really bet they haven't seen a real body, they'd likely vomit rather than ejaculate..

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  3. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Look, I respect your opinion(s) ladies but I feel it is a little uncalled for to attack myself and the other people who work to create the Barely Rotten Girls.
    Let me begin to reply by saying that I am a paramedic with over 14 years of experience so I would be willing to bet I have seen more dead bodies and violence than both of you, and all of your friends, and all of their friends put together.
    You sort of failed to do your research before going off on your feminist tangent there. The Barely Rotten Girls were created based on a comic book I wrote. In it, there is a zombie club called the Barely Rotten Club. We did the first photo shoot as a promotion idea for the comic. People liked it and we did more of them.
    The whole project is successful because it is a new take on the zombie genre and breaks up the monotony a bit. It is fun and not some subversive attempt to glorify killing women or condoning violence against women. It's only entertainment ladies, that is all.
    I can appreciate your passion for saving the hearts and minds of every other woman on the planet who is apparently inferior to your intelligence, but I think our 8500+ female fans are more than capable of determining for themselves what is offensive to their gender.
    This probably comes off as a bit abrasive but I get a little offended when I am attacked and labeled as some typical "white male supremacist". Lighten up a bit Owl and if you don't like it, don't look at it. God, who are you to judge anyone for an artistic endeavor?

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    1. I don't know my opinion on this one but I'd like to ask why don't you have any male zombies who are sexualised? Why isn't there a "Barely Rotten Boys"? And if there were was would there be men lining up to reenact it? I'd like to know why it's one-sided? I tend to hear that it's down to women not being visual, sexual, or that women like to be sexualised and men don't. These are all cultural beliefs. I'd like to live in a world where I don't just see women offered as a kind of thing. If this is acceptable, just entertainment, then do one of men. I wonder if things were all switched around, if people would see how odd our culture is, how one-sided it mostly is, would people care more? Do people find it odd to see men put in these positions and why? Because we aren't used to it? Because it's demeaning? Embarrassing? You aren't breaking up the 'monotony', it's been done time and time again, in films too. If you did one of men then maybe you would be 'breaking up the monotony'. Most things in the media go for how much money they can make than about creativity. Shame really.
      To all the other comments, it's making the fans look stupid, we can argue our points without stooping down to that level.
      If we don't question anything, if we keep using the same excuses, we are passive spectators, sheep. I'm sorry but if anyone can't see how crap we've become towards each other, in our supposedly modern-forward-thinking countries than we are really blind. It's forward thinking to sexualise women in any way we want but let's not debate about it. Let's not reach any other level.

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  4. To be honest, this post is childish. Looking at all the behind the scenes shots of the BRG photoshoots, it looks as if everyone is having a good time, and respects one another. I don't think anyone is "Making them pose with a sultry stare." These models go into this fully aware of what is going to be done.
    Not to mention there was a contest held called Barely Rotten Girls Next Door where over 100 participants submitted their photos. The time and effort put into their work was wonderful, and no one 'forced' them to do anything either.
    If you dislike it, or don't agree with it. That's alright. However, that doesn't give you the go ahead to insult someone's artistic integrity and down on something they have put time, money, and effort into.
    You're offended? Nothing happens. There is no long term effects to you taking offence. Grow up.

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  5. Okay, well, my grandfather is a holocaust survivor, my family has had many members who have served in conflict in the army and I've done work experience in a funeral home, so while I don't doubt that you've seen a lot of violence and death, don't go thinking for a second that people haven't seen and experienced (first hand) MORE.

    Also, according to an interview on:

    http://www.zombiezonenews.com/archives/the-barely-rotten-girls/

    You state that,

    "today’s representation of the female zombie genre...

    Max Prophet to give zombie fans a sexy portrayal of the zombie genre of horror and to show that beauty and death can dance together to produce a stunning visual experience."

    So female zombie fans are meant to only be sexy and dressed up as dead women. Right, really female friendly.

    " wrote in a scene where the characters are touring the new Zombie version of New Orleans and stumble across a strip club called the Barely Rotten Club. We felt that a good way to promote the book would be to do a promo poster where we had a real model made up as a zombie stripper, or Barely Rotten Girl."

    Yes, because going to a place where men purchase temporary ownership of a woman's body is female friendly too. And dead prostituted women, what could be sexier and more appealing to women?!

    "You know, there’s actually a lot more that goes into it than being beautiful"

    Really, like what? Several buckets of fake blood, a tonne of SFX makeup and some nice pseudo-lesbianism?

    "...we chose to alter the look of the girls and go with a slightly less rot and more hot approach that will satisfy the hard-core zombie fans while at the same time showing off the sexiness of our girls! "

    So there's more to it than being beautiful, but the first one didn't sell so well, so time for a bit more fuckability.

    " It is fun and not some subversive attempt to glorify killing women or condoning violence against women. It's only entertainment ladies, that is all."

    Oh really, well say that to all the victims and survivors out there who have survived abuse, torture or well, have been murdered for someone's "entertainment".

    "God, who are you to judge anyone for an artistic endeavor?"

    A human being who can make her mind up for herself, and yes, romantising prostitution, cannibalism and violence against women is SO artistic.

    'If you dislike it, or don't agree with it. That's alright. However, that doesn't give you the go ahead to insult someone's artistic integrity and down on something they have put time, money, and effort into.'

    I bet you're a fan of free speech though.

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  6. I've done "alternative" burlesque and pin-up work. I rather enjoy dancing and playing with blood for entertainment. I have had men and women tell me how much they enjoyed my performances/pictures.
    I am all for you voicing your opinion--this is, after all, what the US of A is based upon. Unfortunately, you seem to have missed the point that, like most forms of entertainment, it is a choice. I have never been forced to douse myself in blood (or used motor oil). I did it for the artistic value of it.
    I agree with the previous posts that you clearly did not look into the subjects you so blatantly and ignorantly attacked. Alternative is the name that is given to things outside the norm. There is a difference between the "girl next door" and the goth/punk girl down the street. Zombies are just fucking awesome, and there's been zombie pin ups for years. I've even seen zombie porn.
    Also, you really need to know the difference between pin-ups and porn. I think you may be happier when you learn that, along with the difference between violence against women, and women creating awesome art while having fun.
    I am a woman, and I really fucking hate it when people stand up and claim to speak for "all" women. You most certainly don't speak for me, or any of the women who pose for and/or are fans of SG and BRG.

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  7. oh, and aileen--I am a woman who has suffered many different forms and levels of abuse. I don't find this offensive or traumatic in the slightest.

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  8. It's only entertainment, and you're taking it quite personally. There is nothing wrong with women getting into BRG, if there was an issue with being degraded or made uncomfortable, there wouldn't BE any women willing to get involved. Not everyone is going to like it, but that doesn't make it wrong. There is always a freedom of choice, and there are always going to be people who are for, and against the choices others make. Feminists DO NOT speak for all WOMEN as assumed.

    As far as freedom of speech goes,
    No one has the right to voice an opinion until they know all the facts.

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  9. Sweet Satan! Just because all you feminist nut-jobs are afraid of the penis, it doesn't mean you have to scrutinize, discriminate against and court-Marshall those who aren't. I mean, I wish I could explain to you in detail the errors in your argument, but frankly all this is, is just a huge hate-speech on art which is clearly out of your league. Hell, with philosophies like that, why the hell are you even critiquing art? I know there may be heart to what you think is important directing those words but your aim is just damn brattish. Please stop voicing your opinions now. :)

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  10. BRAAAAAAAAANEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

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  11. BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

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  12. haha this has got to be a joke.. for all your words and assumptions.. and personal pedestal soap box ranting, you can't stand up to critique? seriously? come on now.. 3 comments deleted and counting.. and all stated in a fair and respectful manner.

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  13. agreed, Max! if you can't take it, don't dish it.

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  14. why do you keep deleting my comment? I really want to know what's going on with that?

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  15. tell you what, if you don't want to have the conversation publicly.. will you email me directly so we can talk about it? I'm curious to know your thoughts... you can find my email address on the contact link at my website (mprophet.com)

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  16. I'm finding it amusing that you feel we all have to abide by your opinion, but when we voice our own, you go off and delete comments you disagree with.
    Yes, I understand that this is your blog, but you had to know that people were going to take offense to your claims and accusations. You really do need to grow up, and learn to take criticism like an adult.

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  17. Jessica.. I really wish she wouldn't keep deleting the comment I posted.. (3rd time deleted now).. it's not baseless criticism.. It's a straight up response to the things she states in her blog!! and stated in a respectful way.. I'm the photographer that shoots the BRG stuff, so I felt it would be reasonable to have my response posted as a comment.. I really don't get why she keeps deleting it.

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  18. ps. her blog did not offend me. I have heard things like this from all sides of the conservative, religious or feminist movements.. it's all part of the game I suppose. I only get annoyed when they can't back themselves up and have the respect to follow through.. which is what is happening now..

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  19. here's the way I see it.
    I was abused in every sense of the word--emotionally, verbally, mentally, physically, sexually. I've been raped, beaten, torn down, degraded. As a result, I am mentally and emotionally unstable, and I have low self-esteem. I have never felt I was good enough for "traditional" pin-up or burlesque, thanks to years of being told I was fat and ugly, either directly, or through the media.
    For me, strapping into a corset and dousing myself with blood is therapeutic. The positive feedback I get from people of all genders tells me that I'm doing my job--I'm setting out to entertain people, and improving my self-esteem in the process. If someone tells me my performance was so good that they had to go rub one out, then that makes me feel that I actually can be seductive, even being a little heavier than most models/performers. I've had pictures up on Suicide Girls. If not for the fact I was heading into the Navy, I could have had a lucrative modeling gig that, yes, involved a lot of blood.
    If someone told me 10 years ago that part of my life would be dedicated to making the boys squirm while covered in blood, I'd have laughed it off. And considering I hear from my mother-in-law on a daily basis what my role as a wife should be, yes, *I* personally am offended by what Owl Eyes and Aileen have to say. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of art, but even rival artists realize this, too. Is the art of the Renaissance sexually subjective because of the nudity involved? Are the styles of yore offensive because women were expected to wear tight lace corsets, and breast-baring dresses? I'm sure someone like Owl Eyes would be happy in a burqa, except then she'd bitch about how Islamic culture treats women.
    Obviously, she aims to get a rise out of people with her blogs, and she's done just that. I don't give a shit if some femi-nazi wants to go claim that beautiful women who love tats, piercings, zombies, blood, and all things related, are being degraded and objectified. Humans in general have been seen as sexual objects throughout history, it's just the "plight" of women in this area is exacerbated by people such as Owl Eyes.
    I like my bras, corsets, blood, and knives. My husband likes it. My friends enjoy it, and so do the people who watch me perform or view my photos. If I don't elicit at least one erection, then I'm not doing my job. That is the art of the tease--to make them want it. It's not a tease if you actually fuck them raw. Some women just need to get off their fucking high horse, and stop bitching about things that they are too close-minded to understand.

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  20. OMG, I just realized that aileen was spelling women as "womyn"...WTF?!

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  21. I was just talking to somebody about bur-qua's the other day.. The whole point is something men came up with to make sure other men aren't aroused by the vision of their wife.. so to stop that from happening women were required to cover themselves fully.. the idea that sexuality needs to be hidden and is something shameful comes from a male dominated society in the bur qua sense.. and is promoted by feminists who essentially say that no women should ever allow a man to be turned on by their looks and clothing.. and you know what? fine.. if that's how you want to live, that's perfectly ok! It causes me no harm and hopefully helps you, but at the same time there are people who enjoy looking "sexy".. and for anyone who wants to jump in and say you can be sexy without revealing clothing,, sure! you're right you can! but you can also be proud of your looks, whatever your shape and size, and do whatever you please and who is anyone to tell you otherwise? People who are of the extremist grouping.. muslims, feminists, puritans.. it's fine if they want to believe what they believe and live it themselves.. and I hope they truly do! I talked with somebody recently, a very conservative religious person, who felt that the photograph taken of a women was objectifying because somebody would look at her as a sex object.. ok maybe so, but taking it a step further I asked if he ever bought his wife sexy lingerie, or if she ever wore it for him and he related that he had.. So I asked how that was not objectifying.. as he's looking at his wife in a sexy outfit.. his response was that it was much different because it was leading to a sexual act. I was totally floored by this basic assessment or justification that he had made.. really? how in the world is that a justification making his situation morally right.. and different situations morally wrong?

    People will justify everything they have to say.. they will silence what they don't want to hear, as in Owl Eyes situation.. and they will continue to believe and preach what they believe to everyone who will listen..

    and thats fine.. if they feel better because of it, so be it..

    Jessica, you're not the first one who has found therapeutic and self worth raising personal feelings as a result of burlesque, or pin up or zombie photography or performances.. This kind of stuff opens the doors to a lot of people who are not conventionally considered "pretty" but who are indeed beautiful people.. and for that, I feel like it's quite empowering.. some people just want to feel good about themselves.. and this becomes an outlet in which they can

    others want everyone to feel ashamed of their bodies and sexuality..

    I'm not going to tell Owl Eyes that she should take her clothes off and photograph in sexy lingerie for the benefit of her self image and sexual awareness, it's not my business doing so..

    Regarding this post, I just simply wanted to chime in with a response, which she has yet to allow me to do.. as the response has been deleted over and over.. (3 times in total)..

    if she can't handle dissent, fine.. but that's strange considering how vocal she is in dissenting everyone else..

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  24. the two comments above were the same as the long one directly above it.. for some reason it kept reading as an error and would not post.. so I tried two more times.. only to found it had been posted.. 3 times.. haha.. go figure.. anyway.. the post 3 above this one.. that was left at 12:44 is the post that repeated 3 times.

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  25. max, you have an actual argument, something she cant defend against... thats why no responce(sp) and the deletions. i mean your statment has to be better then mine!

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  26. I hate when that happens.. I'd prefer she simply let it stay.. there's really no harm in doing so..

    honestly, it's now WORSE that she has deleted the post 3 times because it looks like she can't handle a meaningful argument..

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  27. LOL, i guess if you enjoy something it's off limits for critique by radical feminists, right? I mean, if you personally like looking at pseudo-dead women then it must be okay for all women and doesn't matter that women are raped and murdered world-wide, because you all like it right? come on now.

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  28. Owl Eyes.. I tried to post a comment 3 times.. and each time within 10 minutes it was gone.. so say what you will.. but I can only come to one understanding of how this is happening..

    secondly.. I don't promote or support rape.. murder.. etc.. this is glamourized zombies we're talking about here.. so get off your high horse and realize that this is not violence done to women.. these women are actually the violent ones.. they're very very dead and violent zombies.. killing others.. including men, women and most likely children..

    whatever the case.. you've called me a douchebag in your post.. and that's fine.. feel as you want to about the whole thing..

    at the end of the day.. you made me smile today.. it is people like you who help promote the work we produce!!

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  29. Honey, on the note of close-mindedness, or even just general ignorance, clearly you don't even know the dictionary definition of porn. Do you see any sex, or even full frontal nudity in the Barely Rotten Girls? NO. Why? Because it's not porn. That's why.

    I think it should be obvious to you at this point that you have no viable argument to back up anything you've said. It sure is to us.

    We've already established that there is a difference between critiquing and hate-speeches. It's not our fault that you don't know where the border lies.

    There's not so much radicalism in these words as much as there is just the presence of another immature kid who angrily rants on blogs where almost no one takes you seriously anyways. Frankly, no one is going to until you get a clue. The only other people to agree with this so far are other people just as immature as you.

    Really, GROW UP!

    And also, maybe you wouldn't sound so juvenile if you didn't swear so much. JUST A THOUGHT!

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  30. "at the end of the day.. you made me smile today.. it is people like you who help promote the work we produce!!"

    Well said man! XD

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  31. WARNING: COMMENT MAY CONTAIN TRACES OF SARCASM & ATTITUDE PROBLEM

    (hahahaha)

    Welly welly welly welly well, first of all, I'd like to state that I don't live in the grand ol' US of A, so you take your US-centric crap and can it.

    Please explain what you mean by :

    "I did it for the artistic value of it."

    When talking about dousing yourself in fake blood. Considering how many womyn world wide ya know, are murdered, raped and tortured EVERY DAY I didn't think there'd be that much artistic value in violence. At the best, it's cliche and boring as fuck, at worst, it's a glamourisation of a SERIOUS fuckin' problem.

    "Alternative is the name that is given to things outside the norm."

    So, I don't see what's so alternative about dousing yourself in blood and doing sexy violence when this is happening, every second of every day in many parts of the world. So, what's alternative about partaking of the status quo? Oh right, nothing.

    "There is a difference between the "girl next door" and the goth/punk girl down the street. "

    Yes, one complies to one set of beauty standards, the other complies to another set of beauty standards. Oh, and goth/punk are really more lower-middle class WHITE kid thing. It's a tad white-supremacist, ya know? And I'm an ex-deathrocker but I realised what codswallop it was ;)

    "Zombies are just fucking awesome, and there's been zombie pin ups for years. I've even seen zombie porn. "

    Hey dude, you're not telling me anything I don't know. Like I mentioned, check my blog and you will see a dun dun dun BIG ZOMBIE HEADER. I fuckin' love zombies and goo. But I don't like the graphic representation of womyn as fuck objects or violence against womyn. Zombie porn, I'm guessing you're talking about repenetrator or some shit right? Yeah, Joanna Angel wasn't aware that Deep Throat was a film made of a womon's rape... just sayin'.

    "I am a woman, and I really fucking hate it when people stand up and claim to speak for "all" women."

    Where did either of us say that?

    "oh, and aileen--I am a woman who has suffered many different forms and levels of abuse. I don't find this offensive or traumatic in the slightest."

    I am a womon who has suffered many forms of abuse as well, and I am genuinely saddened to hear that. No-one deserves that shit, ever. But I don't find this traumatic, but I can see how A LOT of womyn would. I only find it offensive because it is so god damned mediocre, cliche and well, you know the whole glamourisation of violence thing again?

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  32. "As far as freedom of speech goes,
    No one has the right to voice an opinion until they know all the facts."

    Freedom of speech isn't guaranteed everywhere in the world. Like uh, Australia. Also, so freedom of speech applies to you guys, but not owleyes? OIC. You better call up every media mogul in your country and tell them that then!

    "Lazy Assholes just want to piss and moan about shit."

    Hahha, speak for yourself mang!

    "You really do need to grow up, and learn to take criticism like an adult."

    So then why does her critique of BRG offend you so?

    "For me, strapping into a corset and dousing myself with blood is therapeutic. The positive feedback I get from people of all genders tells me that I'm doing my job--I'm setting out to entertain people, and improving my self-esteem in the process. "

    "If I don't elicit at least one erection, then I'm not doing my job. That is the art of the tease--to make them want it."

    Your sense of self-worth is based on what other people think of you? Dearest, please stop worrying about what other people think of you and start worrying about what you think of them. Just some advice, hell, I found it very therapeutic.

    "I'm sure someone like Owl Eyes would be happy in a burqa, except then she'd bitch about how Islamic culture treats women."

    Yum yum, personal attacks.

    "OMG, I just realized that aileen was spelling women as "womyn"...WTF?!"

    OMG CRAZY FEMENAZI DOESNT ADHERE TO CONVENTIONAL SPELLING ZOMG!!!!!11!!!

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  33. "others want everyone to feel ashamed of their bodies and sexuality.. "

    Actually, I thought of it more as a point that womyn's worth wasn't based ENTIRELY on their physical appearance or ability to please/service men/womyn sexually. Where did we shame the womyn involved here? I said I can't believe womyn are actively participating in something that dehumanising them, but that's very different to shaming them. I shame the people who BUY this crap and PRODUCE it. If a guy hadn't of thought of it, womyn wouldn't be doing it.

    "secondly.. I don't promote or support rape.. murder.. etc.. this is glamourized zombies we're talking about here.. so get off your high horse and realize that this is not violence done to women.. these women are actually the violent ones.. they're very very dead and violent zombies.. killing others.. including men, women and most likely children.. "

    Yeah, but how did these womyn become zombies? Oh yeah, THEY HAD TO DIE FIRST. Fucking jesus. Do you not get how zombies work? I suggest you read the zombie survival guide by max brooks, it's quite informative.

    "you aren't a radical feminist, honey, you're a radical idiot.
    at least most SMART feminists take the time to research the points that they're going to make, and will even have an intelligent debate."

    Yum yum, so I guess my research into BRG doesn't count? Yum yum more personal attacks.

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  34. Um, okay...I HATE confrontation, however, I am the creator of the Bareley Rotten Girls'WIFE!!!! I am a very "free thinking", pro-feminist(yeah...I am). I believe in the forward thinking woman. I believe that everyone has free will to interpet their experiences,values,beliefs,fears etc. for themselves. Just as Jessica stated previously, I have experienced abuse in my life. My husband has shown me more love, aprreciation, and respect not only for my phsysical self, but my emotional, intellectual, and spiritual self than any other man OR woman has ever done.
    I have helped on some of these photo shoots. In NO way do I/will I ever feel uncomfortable, degrated, or used by my husbands' creativity. You may think that because some of us were "abused" that this is some deep manifestation of self worthlessness. This is the only reason I can come up with for your blatant attack (opinion) of his and my friends' work. I don't know why you would automatically assume that the "Girls" would be jacked-off to??? Is that statement from previous experience on your part? Did something possibly happen to you in YOUR past that you seem so quick to belittle others? I have never been more proud of my husband and his vision, integrity, and work ethic. I was also in EMS (that's how we met), and what we see is sooooooooo different than what you have seen in a funeral enviroment. Have you ever been first on scene to a disaster? Have you ever seen someone dying in front of you and ask if you were an angel? Touch someone, only to realize they were decapitated?????
    What the Barely Rotten Girls project is NOT porn or even close to Suicide Girls (that is actually an insult) what my husband and Max and everyone who has worked on this project has done is created a vision of hot, sexy, horror, bloody and PHOTOgraphic beauty. We are not damaged,immoral,unethical, or degrading in any shape or form. I can appreciate your opinion as a human being, however I do not feel you should impose it on others.

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  35. Whew, well that let a little steam out of the kettle didn't it? Aileen and Owl Eyes, I really do appreciate the loosest idea behind what has you burning bras and up in arms. Violence against women is pathetic. However, you have to admit that to go out and find something as simply entertaining as our work and try and tear that down to further you cause is also a bit pathetic.
    I think all of the animosity you are hearing is based on the fact that in your campaign to protect women, you come off a bit arrogant and egotistical. Your argument tries to imply that people who enjoy zombie girls should all be ashamed of themselves and our GIRLs who participate should sew scarlet letters over their breasts. That sort of militant and better-than-thou attitude pisses people off and polarizes people away from the message you're trying to send. I appreciate your opinions and I AM quite the fan of free speech, just as I am expressionist art, however I get a little rustled when such an attack is made on something as silly as zombie girls. Ultimately I really don't care if you like what we do or not, you just should be a bit more wary on who and why you attack.
    If you want to read more of the opinions of female BRG fans, they have weighed in quite heavily on you blog on the Barely Rotten Girl page. I presume you are already a fan, if not you should be to monitor all of the other debauchery we have in store.

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  36. Where have my comments gone?

    Well, to reiterate in a nutshell, I thank Mass Casualty Comics for their reply because they expressed my sentiments exactly. Owl eyes, how dare you speak on my behalf and furthermore give a bad name to the word "feminist".

    I am a woman who enjoys both SG and BRG. I have the BRG calendar up in my bedroom and I have yet to see anyone offended by it, mostly it is considered amusing and artistic. I also do not use my calendar or their site as pornographic material.

    There is actually a difference between porn and photography which you may want to look up.

    Personally, I am proud to be a liberated woman and I do not find works like this to impinge on my freedom or to insult my person. Your blog however is very insulting as you use countless derogatory remarks towards both those who appreciate these publications and those who produce them.

    I feel sorry for you because although you claim to be a feminist you evidently have some issues with your own gender and sexuality. I hope you are brave enough to leave my comment up this time.

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  37. Amen, Kathryn!!

    Actually, I had to add this.

    I told my husband about this blog, and some of the retarded things being said, and the first thing he said was (and I quote):
    "This reminds me. For my birthday, I want to rent a kitchenette, so you can put a cute little outfit on, and be the slutty version of a fifties housewife for a night. And if you're good, I'll fuck your brains out repeatedly until either checkout, or we pass out from exhaustion. What do you think?"

    Guess what my answer was, you man-hating twats.

    And, for your viewing pleasure, my Myspace, in all its bloody glory (haven't done much to FB yet):
    http://www.myspace.com/femmexnoir

    Suck on that.

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  38. Haha.. wow.. this got great over the course of the evening..

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  39. really? Is this a god damn joke? so were White Male Supremacist now? My Hot Black girlfriend would be glad to know that. Dead people? I've seen more than my share,thank you very much. This was a FUN,CREATIVE project to be a part of and was never meant to be "for everybody". If anything is offensive here its your one sided views and attack on us without the the intelligence to actually do your research before hand. trying to blast us for "WHITE MALE SUPREMACIST" is DEFAMATION! I would also suggest that while practicing the first amendment which is your god givin American right you should keep this in mind.
    " Criminal defamation is the act of communicating something negative or damaging about a second party, and implying that it is fact when in reality it is false. This communication may be verbal or written, and applies to ANY form of media. The second party may be one individual, a group of people, a business, or an organization."

    Again, you must not have done some of your homework so tread carefully. We at Mass Casualty comics are the furthest thing from your statement that it gets. We like Zombies and yes (god forbid) We like women! Were tired of seeing all the men take horror leads and are handing the torch over to the girls. If a woman's breast offend you then don't get the calendar and stop visiting the page. If blood and guts offend you. Its cut and dry, DON'T COME BACK FOR MORE! I PROMISE you this, none of these women involved in this project share your views and are all volunteers for the most part.

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  40. oh and thanks for the publicity!!!!!!!! :-)

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  41. Publicity? Don't fool yourself, not many people know about this blog.

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  42. "LOL, i guess if you enjoy something it's off limits for critique by radical feminists, right? I mean, if you personally like looking at pseudo-dead women then it must be okay for all women and doesn't matter that women are raped and murdered world-wide, because you all like it right? come on now."

    wow, just wow... how can anyone defend against thine razor wit and stunning intelect. oh yeah, are you drunk? stoned? sleep deprived? or just flat out mentaly defficent? you really do hold to this completly disproven line of thought... cocain makes people use it. children lure pedos. victims impale them selves apon the attackers weapons. my brain truley hurtts trying to disenage enough nurons to follow this total load of tripe... but i ask again, your thoughts on Sandro Botticelli's "Birth of Venus"

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  43. You need to spell "Intellect" correctly to even be considered serious. Attacking my integrity and intelligence is only making you look more petty.

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  44. Also, it's "Cocaine" and "Truly" and "Hurts" and "Disengage" and "Mentally" and "Deficient" and "Neurons"

    I think you really need to ask yourself the same questions, pal.

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  45. In that delightful mansplaination by MassCasualty that contained every possible logical fallacy ever invented I found this to be priceless:
    "It is fun and not some subversive attempt to glorify killing women or condoning violence against women. It's only entertainment ladies, that is all."

    See laydeez, it isn't what it looks like. No indeed, it is something entirely different. Even if it is exactly what it looks like it isn't his fault that woman torture for fun and profit is so darn popular.

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  46. It is a complete puzzlement to me why so many comments seem to take your objection as a personal affront. You would think from the behavior that their beliefs had never been questioned or disagreed with before.
    Oh, ok.
    I just reread jessica who states that the fans and affiliates are the commenters. That would certainly explain it.

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  47. You seem to miss the grand fact that the human race is inclined to violence, and has been since the dawn of our existence. It's almost like you're saying that nothing bad happens to women in our society at all.

    Wake up brat; the most overlooked fact about these kind of crimes is that their unexpected, and more often than you would think go unheard of. You could get kidnapped and murdered the next time you're walking down the street at night for all you know. No matter what part of the earth you're located in, there are always going to be savage people who dwell in fucked-up head worlds and dwell on the suffering of others.

    Ever hear about the satanist who kidnapped and tortured a random guy in the woods. Just cut him open and tortured him for a few days while getting high off hallucinogenics made from his adrenaline gland?

    Everyone everywhere can endure the same hardships so there's no point in sitting around pointing a finger at mediums which can't be held accountable but perhaps try actually contributing to means to help further help people IN these kinds of situations. Perhaps you should be a police officer or a judge if you give such a damn about violence against women instead of just bitching about shit no one gives a damn to take to mind because you make it come off as childish babble. Because that is the FACT; NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S NOTHING BUT INVALID OPINION. I don't know how to make that anymore clear, yet you persist in making invalid points towards people who are now only here for the amusement anyways.

    Let's see how long you can keep humouring us before everyone just gets fed up and stops replying. :)

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  48. Owl Eyes has clearly hit a nerve. Nothing like anti-feminist Bingo so prolifically played out in the comments' section.

    "FACT; NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S NOTHING BUT INVALID OPINION. "

    ...AND BECAUSE IT'S AN INVALID OPINION THAT I DON'T CARE ABOUT I SHALL GO COMMENT-HAPPY ALL OVER MY BAD SELF UNTIL SOMEONE GIVES ME THE ATTENTION THAT I'M NOT HERE TO GET!!
    /wahwah

    Owl Eyes, as a once burnt-out radical feminist blogger, might I suggest limiting the comment thread to just *one* lil ole idiot? (they ultimately all make the same point) I know it's funny to watch but, after a while, subjecting one's self to that much bad "art" and logic can really do a number on you.
    Great post, btw.

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  49. @Jessica, wow, just wow

    @pisaquari - i'm glad you like the post, i'm slightly annoyed i have so many troll comments, pain in the arse!

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  50. I have a feeling this thread is going to start attracting all the idiots now. The smart people have made their case, now it's time for other to come and start trying to justify the hate-speech. Have fun, ya miserable twat-faces.

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  51. LOL, I'm so glad you loved the simplicity so I'll add more:
    All I have to say is do your damn research before you call anyone a douche bag or a white supremacist or even accuse them making pr0n by taking pictures of models posing as zombies. Just get a sense of humor! I believe that anything meant for entertainment is either for shiggles or fun or just 'cause someone felt like doing it/what ever.

    Yeah, I'm a teenager and I use the vocabulary of teh internets. I'm not very smart in world affairs and crap, but I believe EVERYONE deserves respect. Even you. Since you're being a hater I find it hard to do, so I'll try to explain nicely.
    I have met Jon (Mass Casualty Comics) in person and he is no douche bag. (LOL WTF) And in no way do I see some promotion of violence in these photos. I mean, IT'S A ZOMBIE! WHAT DO ZOMBIES DO?
    Eat your brains!
    I'd be shocked to see some pictures of them having a tea party or watching a movie when there is plenty of humans around to feed on.
    It's the nature of zombies. Just how it is human nature to be getting pissed over things you can't change.

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  52. Also, slaughtered women is not funny, i don't need a sense of humor. I don't share dude humor because women's oppression is not funny.

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  53. Furthermore, no one here has argued that real life violence is funny or sexy and yet you keep repeating this, why?

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  54. Radical is right, Owl Eyes.

    I am a feminist author and columnist who focuses on educating people on where feminism has succeeded and failed. I reiterate that it is women like yourself that make my job so difficult because you are just the same as your perceived enemy.

    Instead of using logic and understanding to find a happy medium between the genders you would rather see men in oppression as you feel you have suffered. That is not a solution, that is revenge and does not help anyone.

    You say men have been oppressors, that they incite rape and violence and yet here you are throwing that same acid hate back at them. It seems to me that YOU wish to be the oppressor.

    The damage of a radical feminist is the equivalent of a 9/11 terrorist on the Muslim faith or Fred Phelps on Christianity. If you want equality for women, you must first accept men as equals and work WITH them for a solution.

    Okay, I know we are on a tangent from the blog here. BRG rocks and no, I am not affiliated with this publication.

    Thought I had better post this again as it seems to have disappeared.

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  55. Radical is right, Owl Eyes.

    I am a feminist author and columnist who focuses on educating people on where feminism has succeeded and failed. I reiterate that it is women like yourself that make my job so difficult because you are just the same as your perceived enemy.

    Instead of using logic and understanding to find a happy medium between the genders you would rather see men in oppression as you feel you have suffered. That is not a solution, that is revenge and does not help anyone.

    You say men have been oppressors, that they incite rape and violence and yet here you are throwing that same acid hate back at them. It seems to me that YOU wish to be the oppressor.

    The damage of a radical feminist is the equivalent of a 9/11 terrorist on the Muslim faith or Fred Phelps on Christianity. If you want equality for women, you must first accept men as equals and work WITH them for a solution.

    Okay, I know we are on a tangent from the blog here. BRG rocks and no, I am not affiliated with this publication.

    Are you going to continue deleting my comments? Are you against free speech?

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  56. I have tried again and again to post my comment on here but it is continuously deleted. Evidently I make too good a point.

    It seems Owl Eyes is not only a man-hater but against the rights of free speech too!

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  57. So, I pretty much put this behind me...until a guest speaker came to my political science class tonight. One could tell by looking at her that she was a lesbian, and a feminist. Confirmed it by saying one of her minor degrees was in women’s studies.
    Now, I have been sharing this blog with every free thinking woman I know. They all think you're nuts, by the way. I couldn't resist the opportunity to discuss this with a gay feminist sociologist. Her thoughts? That people like you give legitimate feminists like her a bad name. And she was braless, looked and sounded like a man, and smelled of arm pit and onions. She said men--especially white men--have contributed too much to society to condemn them. We were created to be attracted to other humans. If men want to get their jollies off to a zombie pin-up, that's their business.
    Instead of complaining about the men (and women) who actually ARE sexually and morally deviant, you rail on about things that men and women of all colors enjoy, not just "white supremacist men."
    I don't deny that murder, rape, etc., are a real problem. I've never denied that. But you make claims that even a woman who should be on your side says are out there. The people behind the project that you attacked say that they do not aim to glorify violence against or objectivity of women. People who enjoy the work have said that the reason why they partake is the grotesque beauty of it. But you are so deep in your belief, that you cannot be budged. Ignorance is a stubborn thing, hon. I even showed the speaker my photos from performances and shoots. She said they were awesome, and she was saddened that I am a "married breeder." Why? SHE found my work to be seductive and arousing!
    Did you know, that during the women's lib movement, that Elizabeth Cady Stanton modified her bloomers to be pants? That’s right; she wore her underwear like pants. The original feminists, like Susan B. Anthony, did not want to be SUPERIOR to men, they wanted equality. On top of that, the US was built on freedoms of expression, religion, art, etc. Here in the States, we can create any kind of art we want.
    My husband and I attended Burning Man last week, and a favorite subject for art there is the female form. Fat, skinny, curvy--all shapes, sizes, and ages. In statue form, and even living women. I do what I do to celebrate the power of the female body. We use sex as a bargaining chip, a weapon. We create and sustain life. My man venerates my body too much to ever mar it by being violent towards me. He also knows that my love for cooking has made me proficient is using kitchen utensils as weapons, and if he were to ever raise a hand to me, head would be getting acquainted with a cast iron frying pan.
    I've been beaten, raped, molested. By men of several races. One was a baby sitter...when I was FOUR. My parents beat the hell out of me--my mother left me covered in my own blood on numerous occasions. I was beaten and raped by a roommate. I was always called fat, worthless, and ugly. I believed it for years until I met my husband, and he has told me every day since we met (with the exception of my time in the Navy) that my beauty brightens his life.
    I have spent the last few years using my body as a means of creating art. To understand the beauty and artistic value of the female body, I studied my own. I took all of my research, and applied it to performing for either an audience or a camera. I'm rarely fully nude, and even more scarce with outright raunchiness. I'm not forced into doing what I do. My husband is happy whether I do it or not. Where we live, there's no shortage of whores who probably allow themselves to be degraded and gangbanged later for a good review. I want no part of that.

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  58. As for your claim about domestic slavery, sorry, that’s my mother-in-law. She tries to get me to do the same thing, and both my husband and I flat out tell her to get off her old fashioned sexist high horse. And I will same the same to you. Get off your insane feminist high horse. There is no “struggle”. To be quite honest, there are plenty of women who are perfectly content to be the stay-at-home mom, who savors the time to be with her children, while her husband provides for them, so she can have the valuable time. Children grow up fast, and lots of parents lose out on time to bond with them. I personally know families like this. One mother like this I know says that you sure as hell don’t speak for her.
    Then there’s me. I have a slew of disabilities that makes working outside of the home nearly impossible. What business I do, plus school, is harder on me than most people can imagine. So, yes, I will be at home a great deal, to raise our children (as previously stated, are 8 cats currently), to cook (as, also previously stated, is something I’m good at and I enjoy it), and will be there to love and support my equally loving and supportive husband. I will continue with my art, whether or not people like you disapprove. I will do it because there are plenty of people who DO enjoy the art I offer, myself included.
    Now, please, stop pissing off a large majority of our gender. You’re even pissing off other feminists, because you make them all look like nuts.
    And, yes, I will enjoy my bras. At least my breasts won’t be sagging to my hips when I’m older. You live a miserable existence. I don’t envy you.
    (Note: The last couple of posts under the name “Jessica” were not me. Different one.)

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  59. Wow Bonner Killer, I just love the way you write (: I'm sick and tired of all those power gothic chicks who pretend they're the hottest shit on this planet, yet again they're only scared little girls in the inside who desperatelly to earn some respect and cant wait till some retired duke says "oh that fake blood you put on your shitty face looks so hot!" . Wtf I say! Real women are not like that! Real women don't need to pretend they're corpses to gain attention and rude-jack off style comments from desperate dicks!
    Keep up the good work, this world need more women like you ;) x

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  60. I wrote this for you! It's the last thing I could to "praise" you :D Go go Owl Eyes!
    http://pinkkipivkirja.blogspot.com/2010/09/i-love-that-girl.html

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  61. Holy shit, I can't believe you got piled on for this kickass post, which I agree with entirely. But having a problem with sex and violence being mixed together CLEARLY means you're a prude. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with all these insults and crap. :( *Hugs*

    "FACT; NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S NOTHING BUT INVALID OPINION"

    AND EVERYONE CARES ABOUT WHAT MACK HAS TO SAY.

    PS: I don't believe theirs any evidence that bras prevent breasts sagging-but from what I understand there is some evidence that it actually makes sagging worse. And even if they do start sagging, so what? The only reason sagging is "bad" is because then men will see the woman as less fuckable. Which frankly shouldn't matter at all.

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  62. do you truely belive evey thing that pours out your mouth? the statements you have made, if true, would indecate a total break down of civil law, there would be roaming bands of rapist/ killers numbering in the thousands moving across the lands slaying and f**king all that they see. Sandro Botticelli's "The Birth of Venus" must leave you in a state of rage....

    and as aileen so kindly pointed out..."OMG CRAZY WIKAN DOEZNT ADHERE TO CONVENTIONAL SPELLING ZOMG!!!!!11!!!" should not disuade you from answering the bloody question... either one... any of them... screw it. your beyound redemption. May the Lady open your eyes and show you the peace you seek and may Her blessing shine apon you and yours...

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  63. Ms. Citrus, I totally agree...I have no idea why they're so pissy, probably ebcause they feel they have some "right" to women at all time and a "right" to fantasize about murdering women but it's all just "for fun"...Pathetic.

    Also, i Read that bras do cause sagging as they wear out the muscles in the breasts, particularly under-wire bras. So silly. And yes, the only reason we hate sagging is because of patriarchy, clearly. It's ridiculous - you only see this breasts sexualization in the west.

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  64. Dear Mack, first of all, you shut up your big mouth full of shit, coz your lucky I'm not there to beat your ass to death! Secondly am not a cunt, am just a girl who doesn't have to show her tits/butt to make a man wanna fuck, because am a lot better than that and would put at your place you and any other c*nt with my attitude. Your just not used in girls with mind instead of wide open legs right? And sucks the fuck up my dear, they have suffered! If they really did they would have killed themselves already or they would be locked in some nut house! Fuck off, am not changing mu opinion for any antifeminist like your retired self!

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  65. Please tell me how old you are. I am 27, and I have been through more shit than you can imagine, at the hands of both genders.
    I have also had the pleasure of living in a city that is very...outspoken. We have the hippies, the goths, the yuppies, the LGBT community, the women who get up on their soapbox and burn their bras, the starving artists, etc. A community that surrounds itself with diversity and creativity.
    Now, let me tell you something. I see these women who were either hippies or women's lib in the '60s, and the biggest thing they regret? Having unsupported large breasts. They let the twins swing freely, and now they have to wear specialized and spendy bras because the weight hanging down like that (and then sagging and drooping) has wrecked their backs. I already have a fucked up back, I don't need my breasts adding to it. Plus, I'd rather have men staring at my cleavage than watching my breasts swing about. Plus, it's more professional looking. And, it's an extra layer in the cold Pacific NW months. I don't know about you, but when I get cold enough, my nipples get so hard you can cut glass with them. And they hurt like hell. Nothing to do with sex and men.

    Um, also, when did I ever say I was a Goth? Nope, never did. Never was one, really. Thought the whole bunch of 'em were whiners. Besides, being in the military is the total anti-Goth.

    Oh, by the way, breasts are sexualized in Australia, France, Canada, and the UK. Japanese men buy used panties out of vending/claw machines. In fact, please move to Japan. They could use your "services" more than the rest of us.

    So, I interrupted this because my husband was waking up, and I pounced on him. He wasn't in the mood for sex, so we cuddled and as I stroked his morning wood into submission, he says, "So this girl views violent looking photos of women as being white supremacist? That's funny, because if anything, I saw more violence against women for pleasure more when I was on deployment in Asian countries than I have ever seen in the US." After climax, "But what about you? I'm a white American male. I love the female body and sex. But you are more sexually charged than I am. You've made the choice to fondle a few breasts, kiss a few girls. You're in love with Lady Gaga and Dita von Teese. You are more forcible in our sex life than I could ever possibly be, even borderline violent. I've never known someone who enjoys a mix of violence and sex like you do, and, don't get me wrong, I love it, but others may view our sex life as fucking weird. I wonder, though--what do feminists think of women who are sexually dominant of their lovers, and lusts after men AND women? Does that make you a white supremacist pig like I supposedly am?"

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  66. yeah, you're worthless. "I have a rant." Well I've got a shit. We can both take them somewhere else.

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  67. Take it somewhere else? I don't have a right to rant on a blog?

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  68. I rant on blogs, but I at least take other people's points of view into consideration on the matter. Whether I agree or not.

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  69. I'm not here to please you or kowtow to your patriarchy embracing opinions. My blog. My truth.

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  70. anyway, i'm done repeating myself, you can all bicker amongst each other.

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  71. You seem so insistent that I embrace patriarchy. Seeing as I control our finances and other household business. Other than that, my husband and I are EQUALS. Hell, I'm smarter than him, and he knows it. He would be lost without me.
    But don't put your opinion online, and then get pissed that so many people call you out on them. And don't judge people that you know nothing/little about.

    I hope, for your sake, that you don't end up pissing the wrong person off with your rants. I have a feeling that you will end up being one of those women that you seek to "protect"--all because you are so unwilling to take anyone's opinion into consideration. You really should be like your professor. The cultures that practice female genital mutilation do it because that has been their way for generations. They do it to prevent infidelity in their women. And they don't appreciate outsiders coming in and telling them that their ways are wrong.

    You actually remind me of a feminist version of a Crusader. And the Crusades did not get the Christian cause very far. Which is why we have Islamic extremist groups like al-Qaeda.
    I could tell you until I'm blue in the face that I am the head of my household, while being equal to my husband, and true to ourselves, but I think you want the world to live the way you think we should live. What matters is that people are happy the way they are. I have a very happy marriage, we love each other very much, with no gender roles.

    I also hope you're gay and not wanting children, we certainly don't need someone as hateful as you raising a new generation of hateful and miserable crusaders. There truly is enough hate in our world today, so why do you aim to spread more?

    On top of that, you have never answered any of my valid questions I have posed to you. You seem so intent to your cause, yet you don't answer questions posed to you by inquiring minds. If you were to listen to anything I say, then let this be it--if you haven't already, have a sit down with your professor. Share your views and opinions with her. I'm sure she will have some interesting insights that I believe you could really benefit from. I'm all for feminism, just not "I speak for all women, hate men, and will shoot down everything that makes people happy because I don't like it" feminism.

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  72. Hi Owl Eyes, I just found your blog through some cross-links! "Boner Killer" was too good to miss. ;) Thanks for linking to me & I'm SO SORRY you have all this sex-pos BS in your comments. People who flat-out REFUSE to do any critical thinking about how their "expressions" of sexuality may MIRROR, reinforce, and/or trivialize patriarchal harms are just noise. Hedonistic, self-gratifying ideologies may be entertaining and the most FUN you've ever had!!!!!111!!! But they are NOT feminist. Nothing could possibly convince me otherwise.

    And NO, I don't believe that you can erase the parts of your brain that have been infected with patriarchy. First, our entire cognitive framework is saturated in male supremacy so you can't just pick and choose the "bad parts". And secondly, you simply *can't* erase your brain. If you think you CAN, go make a million dollars instructing PTSD survivors about how you work this selective memory magic, mmm-kay? Right, it can't be done. Case closed.

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  73. Oh also, I can't read all the comments b/c they hurt my eyes but in regard to "Matthew & Jessica Stallings's" latest comment that she "hopes your gay": WHOA, honey! It's one thing to say "I hope you don't reproduce." But to say AND I HOPE YOU'RE GAY?? What the fuck does that have to do with anything?? Homophobia alert!!

    ALSO, radfem theory is not about *your* personal situation. No one really gives 2 shits if you're equal to your husband or not. This is about WOMEN IN GENERAL. And whether sexualizing violence HARMS WOMEN IN GENERAL? No, the question is not whether *you* like it, whether it harms *you* personally, or whether other people appreciate your performance of it. (there we go with the sex-pos narcissism!) The question is whether sexualizing violence HARMS women. Until violence against women is NOT an epidemic of global proportions-- the only feminist-minded answer is that fetishizing violence MUST STOP. NOW.

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  74. Oh, and as a femme lesbian, I just LOVED this:

    "Also--and this is something my husband pointed out--most feminists try to bust out of traditional gender roles, want equal treatment, blah, blah, blah, but they all dress like MEN!"

    Are you fucking kidding me?? MALE is the default human presentation. When women strip themselves of the false entrapments of "femininity," yes, they probably look "like men" to you. But that's because you are ignorant and woman-hating. "Femininity" is a social construct, not biological reality. DUH. Expecting women to perform according to male-defined standards of "womanhood" is misogyny at its finest.

    And I'm OUT.

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  75. Great post and LOL at all the "I love free speech and respect women but you are interfering with my bonerz so STFU laydeez" commenters. You seem to have really hit a perv-nerve!

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  76. Bah! Perv Nerve, best term i have heard in a while, so friggen true!

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  77. @Undercoverpunk

    I'm so stoked you found my blog, I spent hours reading your blog the other night, so fantastic. But yeah, the comments are painful to read, since they are all nearly the exact same. The same "oh well that makes me happy and i chose it, so i'm liberated" crap without actually thinking or considering the other women that live on this planet.

    I'm really sickened by the selfishness of sex-pos feminism, it fails to challenge anything...if it's "fun" it shouldn't be challenged, such western shit, so much privilege. Bah. Thanks for the comments, too, i love what you have to say, it's 100% truth!

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  78. Violence against something is always happening and being glamourized (how ever you'd like to use that word), and so are a lot of other horrible things (welcome to da world baby!) Anyone from pretty much any group or following of people who widely support/oppose a relatively well recognized problem will somehow always seem to just sound like people should think their issue is more important than all others, and more-so than anyone could like than often, they do.

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  79. the barely rotten girls are FUCKING SEXY. it's zombies, woman. not once is there a male pictured beating or harming a woman in any of BRG's photos.

    even those without brains (no pun intended) know that. or so I thought.

    "On this site these douchebags (both men, of course) show photos of women with fake blood" -
    pretty sexist of you, miss femmie femme. As a woman I also showcase men and women alike in fake blood...without jerking off to it....woah, shocker 2010!

    also, what is this shit about BRG claiming to be 'alternative...' as far as I knew, BRG claimed to be...uh, hot zombie chicks. and as you worded it, alternative apparently doesn't exist anymore, so what the fuck do you care?

    maybe the ZOMBIEOCALYPSE has already begun because you damn brainless people are trying to make cool chicks like the BRG's LOOK BAD.

    keep your closed fucking minds to yourself, please :) if I were more like you I would totally turn to my blog right now and write about feminists or something....oh, but I won't, because I couldn't give two shits....

    good to be me and not you.

    cheers xo

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  80. Actually, I'm pretty sure it's Zombpocalypse.

    Also, love the way you guys infantilise the womyn you have working for you by calling them 'girls' - nothing says female friendly like referring to adult females as children.

    "You don't have to be brutally murdered to become a zombie. You can die from a heart attack, an accident, etc. Or, you know, get bitten by another zombie. Hell, if you were dead before the outbreak, you can become a zombie. So, for all you know, one of the zombie WOMEN (not womyn, you dyke) that are featured in BRG could have died because she was so fucking scared, her heart gave out."

    Yes, okay, I'll give you that. But unless we're talking about Simpsons style/Trioxin (Return of the Living Dead series) style zombies, already decease individuals do not come back as the living dead. Solanum/T Virus/Rage Virus/Romero-esque zombies all need to be alive before infection can take place, how is a virus gonna get passed around an inactive circulatory system? I recommend the Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks, very informative (and hilarious) shit.

    Also, I don't give opinions, I share ideas and my ideology. Opinions are for people who are intellectually lazy. You think I'm a self loathing womon? Okay sure, whatever, I'm not the one who needs to go around calling others twats and telling people that they need to get laid. And even if I was self loathing, what the fuck would that have to do with anything?

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  81. "Ooh, a femi-Nazi AND a grammar Nazi! "

    Oh yum, Godwin's law! That's original. See holocaust survivor comment above - that's fucking low, dude.

    "Ever hear about the satanist who kidnapped and tortured a random guy in the woods. Just cut him open and tortured him for a few days while getting high off hallucinogenics made from his adrenaline gland?"

    Um no, because that story, in however many details I try and break it down to, doesn't appear in any news site, or any newspaper I've checked. I call shenanigans.

    Owleyes, isn't it funny how we keep coming back to this "freedom of speech" crap? As if images of SFX mutilated womyn are something that are OH SO OPPRESSED and need protection from us evilz censoringz man haters.

    Does this feminist sociologist have a name? Or is her humanity invalid too?

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  82. NAZIs are real. Zombies are fictional.

    Aileen... Are you bitching on sets of holocaust movies? We're you pissed over the making of Shindler's List? Because on that set people actually dressed up like REAL holocaust victims and survivors. And it showed scenes of those deaths. I doubt you were because it got a message out to many people the horrific events that took place.

    Zombies don't exist. This is pretend with photos. Real zombies are not going to eat people. Real people don't die from zombies. So this is in no way shape or form similar to real deaths because you can't really die from a zombie. ...

    or do you still believe that zombies are real?

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  83. "or do you still believe that zombies are real?"

    Hahahahahhahahhahahahaha

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  84. Oh my god. I just found your blog - brilliant, love it. This is a great post. So sorry you've had all this trolling. God, they are vile and abusive, aren't they? I recommend that you don't bother publishing their comments, to be honest, not that you asked for my advice, lol! They don't add anything to the conversation, just clog it up with their racist, sexist, homophobic, lesbophobic, nasty personal abuse. Why bother with them at all?

    I'm glad to find your blog and will be reading more :)

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  85. Hey, thanks to a link via "Anti-Social Butterfly", i found your blog. Fucking LOVE it. Of course this post is right on. right on. sex+gore+dead+pretty+ladeeez=patriarchal paradise. argh. and then dear owl, you have to endure the inarticulate gaspings of the zombies themselves. ferfucksake. i could not read all the comments 'cause my eyes were crossing. here's a quote from one that had me thinking:

    "the barely rotten girls are FUCKING SEXY. it's zombies, woman. not once is there a male pictured beating or harming a woman in any of BRG's photos."

    Indeed. That is also true of real life, that often the perpetrator is invisible. There are TONNES of studies and writings and memoirs and poems and performance art pieces about/by women in prostitution, for example. Go down to any inner city/impoverished neighbourhood and you will find women who are prostituted, standing on street corners. Look in the news paper you will see ads for women for sale. But you very rarely see the buyers, the pimps, the shit head woman-haters who drive around in their tinted-window sedans (with baby carseats in the back) preying on these women.

    they are protected. they protect themselves from scrutiny. they built and/or profit from this system of exploitation, they are now just sitting back and watching women fling ourselves onto the knife of objectification. that's kind of a slack metaphor, but i think you get it. We rarely see the 'bad guy'. Because he's Dad. Or Hubby. Or Buddy. Or Brother. And he has the power, and we'd better not cross him because we could die. so we avert our eyes and take out our pain and anxiety and frustration on each other.

    So here we are. the oppressed at each other's throats, right where The Man wants us to be. I tell ya what, Jessica and jessicaheidie and all you other women who are zombie porn stars BY CHOICE MY CHOICE LEAVE ME ALONE YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR MEEEEEEE--(ooops. sorry, got stuck on that shrill 'caps lock' key there...)--how be you back up a bit, take a deep breath. Shower off some of that blood, and look in the mirror.

    Radical feminists are fighting for, writing for, acting for the freedom of all women. We can't speak for all women, but we can make connections and say what we think, and ask for 100% of what we want. Freedom from oppression. in its many forms. (fyi--a radical feminist telling you that zombie porn is harmful is NOT oppression, okay)

    Now i want to go on about what freedom is or might be, but i'll do that somewhere else....

    Thanks again for this post, Owl, and your delightful righteous blog.

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  86. o dammit. i tried to post a response to jessicaheidi saying "you don't see any men hurting women in BRG or zombie porn" and then something went terribly wrong and it vanished. argh.

    but i wanted to say, you know, we NEVER (or rarely) see the perpetrators of the violence. We don't SEE the pimp, the john, the batterer, the rapist, the incestuous daddy. We see the women after the man has done the damage. we see the damaged women, and in porn we see the damaged women defending their right to choose to be under his hands like that. because if she didn't defend HIS right to choose to hurt her, maybe he would KILL her. then she'd be a zombie porn star for real.

    i love your work here, Owl. thank you. the post that vanished was kind of more interesting, but this will have to do. keep the faith.

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  87. This has been an awesome source of mirth for me today and a nice little study break. Thanks, Owl Eyes, for the incisive post.

    I know someone already said this but seriously, all the usual anti-feminist cliches are here aren't they? You're scared of dick! LMAO I guess he must love dick a lot and in that case he is welcome to my share.

    Of all inane, conservative, pig-ignorant, right-wing, homophobic, racist, social order-upholding shite that got tossed at you, I have to say the thing that made me laugh the most, and there was some kick-arse competition, was this to Aileen:

    "You've admitted that you're not American"

    OMFG I howled at that one - like it's somehow akin to criminality or something. Like it's something people have to own up to, come clean on...still laughing here.

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  88. "You've admitted that you're not American."

    Yeah, I read that and laughed. All that "BUT YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR MEEEEEEEE WE HAVE FREE SPEEEEECH AND I'M SO EMPOWERFULIZED THAT I ACCEPT MY ROLE AS DICK SUCKER AND BABY MACHINE WITHOUT COMPLAINT BLAH BLAH BLAH FEMINAZI DYKE" got old after about two seconds. Notice how "liberated", sex poz "feminists" never consider the greater patterns and societal forces at work outside the US, or for minority groups inside the US? It's so endearing when they scream about how you don't represent them, when you weren't talking about them in the first place.

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  90. I understand how angry you are. IN fact just last week a new Hong Kong film had just started playing in theaters here in east Asia. It's called 3D Sex and Zen: Extreme Ecstasy. The first 3D IMAX soft core porn movie. It should be co-titled Savage Sadism. I say that because the last half of this movie I saw showcases violence against women as something to be entertaining. The Ass hole responsible for this is Stephen Shiu Jr. the film's producer. He was the one who wanted to shock the audience with sexual savage violence. One scene in this movie includes the Yuxiang character, a defenseless woman who was forced to sit on an iron lotus going up into her vagina, tearing out her tissues. That was portrayed by having the actress naked with the scene of blood running down her leg from her vagina. This is what the film producer liked to entertain the audience with. And you are right, a man like Stephen Shiu Jr. who wants to entertain an audience with a soft core porn film like that is not an artist, but a douche bag. Stephen Shiu Jr. must be shot to death.
    When I saw this film, I protested by cursing swear words and yelling, that even the viewers were upset at me, but I don't care. That's what they deserve for enjoying sexual violence against women in a movie. I had to stand up and protest with civil disobedience after the management threatened to kick me out, but I resisted. I saw the movie once more at a different theater, and I continued the fight against this gross immorality. If I can't teach them the soft way, I will do it the hard way.

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  91. Thank you for this post, I feel the same way.
    The comments are hilarious.
    Funny how many "pro-feminist"/"feminist" women and men here don't seem to see what's wrong with sexualising beaten/dead women. And then they hurl misogyny at you and still don't see what's wrong with calling themselves feminist.
    I do vote keeping it to just one troll however.
    I love it when morons cite freedom of speech as a reason for their racist sexist tripe to permeate the internet. Clearly they don't even know what that is. I'm Australian and yet I have a better understanding of this - we don't even have an equivalent.

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  92. OP is right. Well, in this post in correct. Alternative porn/suicide girls is nothing short but horror-fetishized and packaged misogyny.

    I don't care if he is an "artist", the way he incorporates women into his "art" is degrading, exhibitionist,racist and voyeuristic.

    I don't give a damn about freedom of speech. It's our voices that are silenced, and it's voices like his that cater to a market of sexist men and men and produce these pornographic images for to sell. People tend to pay attention to pictures of women half naked and covered in blood, don't they?

    Portraying women as these blood thirsty, zombie, man-eating, sex craved less than human fantasies? Pixies? Vampires? Fairies? How appealing it is to use women as props, eh?

    How fucking sexist, that is right?

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  93. I understand where most of the feminists are coming from but their logic is somewhat flawed, their debate is saying that women dressing up as zombies and other undead creatures (To their own will.) is supporting the unjust happenings to other misfortunant women whom happen to be in that percentage of women who are sexual assaulted and or worse.

    With that logic, that's basically like saying because people have died we shouldn't go on living because they have suffered and we are merely living unaware and without care of their deaths. Your also saying is that straight men shouldn't be able to look at women who at their own doing dress up as these interpretations you speak so lowly of, or women looking at straight men doing the same thing.

    This is where the conflictions start and merely the people preaching the sexism are the one's doing it themselves. What most people need to understand even though this is very rough and straight to the point it's merely statistics. There's over 6 billion people on earth, that should tell you right there that people are going to suffer at the hands of others, it's just human nature to do so. Though that does not excuse the sadistic crimes people can commit and yes it's mostly men but the point is it's not only men.

    Cheers. :3

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  94. Listen up you scumfuck men who claim that this article written on the "barely rotten" girls was immature, or shouldn't have been written, or those claiming that this ridiculous, misogynistic bullshit glamorizing DEAD WOMEN is cool, not anti-woman, and that us Feminists should lighten up, or whatever are FULL OF SHIT! You guys are just as bad as Kanye West for making that misogynistic music video "Monster." Ever see it? Oooh how cool and edgy and creative..yeah right. Since when are half dead women sexy? Do you know that men murder women in very, very high numbers all over the world? Ever hear of honor killings in India? I bet that's awesome too, you pathetic pigs. Wild-seeing a woman beheaded by her barbaric FATHER is soo rad, right? GROW UP!! Women and girls, let's mke a website showing "sexy" half naked MEN!! Wow, what a turn-on, right?! I know this "genre" is a backlash to Feminism, like most misogynistic creations of MEN, but this has gone too far. If you fail to see why women and girls are upset about this b.s., then obviously you guys have no hearts. (Big surprise, huh? Not really!) Why do you guys even read the articles that this woman has written at all? You just want to silence her, and every woman who has an opinion about anything, as usual. Grow up. Every woman and girl is entitled to HER own opinion. Your pictures are deplorable and anti-woman. Don't play stupid like you have no idea about this.

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