Recently the feminist radio station, The F-Word, based out of
Vancouver aired a two-part show on transgenderism and feminism followed by a blog post. The program features interviews with Susan Stryker, Sheila Jeffreys, Lee Lakeman, and Barb Besharat.
The interviews can be accessed on the F-Word blog here (there are various links on this page)
This post is concerned with the first interview in which
Susan Stryker is interviewed.
I want to clarify, first and foremost, because it is always
assumed; this is not a post for
questioning "whether or not a trans-woman is a REAL woman" or as a debate on trans-identity – not at
all, this post is to critique particular surrounding issues and opinions put
forth by Susan Stryker, specifically on the topic of children and teens undergoing procedures to make their bodies more "feminine" or "masculine."
Stryker is an Associate Professor of Gender and Women's Studies,
as well as the director of the Institute for LGBT Studies.
This post has no intent to portray Susan Stryker as the spokesperson for the entire trans-community. Furthermore, I know that no one individual can speak for an entire diverse group of people.
This post has no intent to portray Susan Stryker as the spokesperson for the entire trans-community. Furthermore, I know that no one individual can speak for an entire diverse group of people.
As most feminists now know, the relationship between parts of the
trans-community and parts of the feminist community has become highly
inflammatory recently, and so I was pleased to see all sides being
involved the F-word's open, respectful and frank dialogue about the core issues and
positions.
I listened to the show because I was intent on understanding all
perspectives and experiences. Several elements in the first interview, however, were
troublesome, particularly issues relating to "childhood
transitioning."
When the question of children and adolescents receiving hormones
and surgical procedures to make a body have "feminine" or
"masculine" secondary sex characteristics, Styrker responded with a
bit of annoyance and then began to give an account of her childhood. Stryker then
stated that "kids have a pretty good idea of who they are."
This statement is what troubled me the most.
As a recovering psychology student, I feel confident in debating issues surrounding the human brain and its complex development. My knowledge on child development, which I am quite confident in, has led me to believe that Stryker’s reference to a stabilized self-awareness and self-identity in childhood to be very problematic.
The human brain develops in a generally predictable manner throughout the lifespan, making the cognitive abilities of a five year old vastly different than the level of cognition experienced by a 15 year old. A 15 year olds’ sense of self and cognitive abilities (heavily impacted by the relation to their upbringing, social group and culture) would be vastly different from the cognitive abilities of someone in their early to mid-twenties.* Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule, but this is relevant to the majority of the population.
*early twenties is the age range that the frontal lobe, which deals with problem-solving and reasoning, completes development.
Human brain development and it's impact on cognitive capacity is what the age of consent exists around.
A child at the age of four, the age Stryker used in her own hypothetical example of childhood transitioning, would have only just grasped complex grammar, let alone a fixed identity. Words for sex difference as well as the culturally and socially constructed roles and expectations would not be understood by a four year old child. Any words or conceptions, however, are culturally-specific in most cases as not all speakers include Anglophone words for the purposes of gendering.
Children are incapable of abstract thought. Abstract thinking would be required for a child to develop multifaceted notions of self through culturally-specific gender expectations. In fact, the ability for abstract thought develops between 12-15 years of age, typically. Additionally, theory of mind is only available to adults and involves using one’s knowledge of the world to construct theories to explain their behaviour and the behaviour of others based on internal mental states. Children do not have access to this mental facility which has an essential role in providing informed consent (Lefton et al., 2008, p. 400).
To suggest that children develop a sense of self that is somehow "separate" from a child's social and physical environments and cultures is also debatable. This infers that a child has the social, physical, cognitive, and neurological capacities of someone in their twenties, who has completed, more or less, physically developing and can take part in abstract thought. If a child is unable to conceptualize difficult theories and culturally-specific notions of “self,” how can that child be expected to exercise informed consent regarding potentially dangerous bodily modifications?
Children learn ways to behave and interact through socialization and learning based on their cultural norms, they form identities based on their surroundings and experiences. This does not mean children are less-able, or naive; it merely means that humans develop throughout time and are not fixed "selves." Human sense of self, which in and of itself, varies greatly among cultures as not all cultures and social groups favour the idea of "the individual" is not fixed.
The individual human being–throughout the lifespan– is constantly being re-shaped, re-figured and re-conceptualized in relation to that human’s social, cultural, and physical environment. There is no such thing as a fixed "self" that originates in childhood and transcends throughout the lifespan. If this were factual, human evolution would have failed long ago as it relies on adaptation. Nothing organic in this world is fixed–everything is malleable, particularly the incredibly plasticized brains of humans (particularly children).
Children are rapidly gaining new experiences in particular cultures and environments that are shaping their cognition, relation to and interaction with others, as well as their sense of place in the world. It is simply irresponsible to suggest that children should be trusted with deciding whether or not their parents should put them on hormonal drugs or through life-altering surgical procedures.
Children are rapidly gaining new experiences in particular cultures and environments that are shaping their cognition, relation to and interaction with others, as well as their sense of place in the world. It is simply irresponsible to suggest that children should be trusted with deciding whether or not their parents should put them on hormonal drugs or through life-altering surgical procedures.
The common arguments in favour of childhood tranisitoning do not address the Western medical communities’ insistence on paying so much attention to the outward appearance of one’s genitals in relation to defining female and male bodies. There are only these two options given by the medical community, a very essentialist approach that disregards the extensive anthropological evidence for gender fluidity across cultures (Sharp, 2001, p. 308). Also, there is a lot of money to be made in these biomedical industries, particularly industries concerned with body alteration. The industry is extremely profitable, and as Stone (1991) points out, there has been a propagation of a very lucrative international clinical trade in sex reassignment that extends from Palo Alto, CA, to Casablanca, Morocco (as cited in Sharp, 2001, p. 308).
But I digress…
In the interview, Stryker points out that Sheila Jeffreys (another featured interview) has a “new thing” for discussing early transition-surgeries or hormone replacements in children as a “genocide” and a type of “eugenics” of children.
As far as I have read, Jeffreys has used these words in regards to childhood transitioning because they are children are unable to give informed consent. When children are involved, the debate transforms from one about informed consent and adult decision-making to one that assumes children can make these types of permanent decisions about their bodies, too–regardless of their feelings of identity or gender. Nevertheless, Stryker's placement of the critique of the medicalization of bodies (particularly of children's bodies) as being akin to verbal attacks and hateful behaviour towards the trans-community is unfair. They are not the same and framing them as such merely shuts down all discussion.
Furthermore, the chemical and physical alterations to children's bodies would include the sterilization of girl-children. Jeffreys, like many other feminists, do not have to look far into the past to see the extensive sterilization abuse of countless numbers of women and girls. This is a legitimate feminist concern, in my humble opinion. The chemicals that given to children include puberty-blockers, which are incredibly expensive and have long term consequences if used over time, including cancer and blood clotting. However, the impacts of these drugs are reversible, unfortunately surgery is not…
One report cited by CTV news clarifies the use of puberty blockers:
“97 girls and boys treated between 1998 and 2010; the youngest was 4 years old. Kids that young and their families get psychological counselling and are monitored until the first signs of puberty emerge, usually around age 11 or 12. Then children are given puberty-blocking drugs, in monthly $1,000 injections or implants imbedded in the arm”
Any chemical or bodily alteration given to a child, in my opinion, is ethically questionable. As someone who was given pharmaceutical drugs during childhood, I have harsh feelings surrounding the issue of medicating kids. I believe children should not become medical guinea pigs and should not be given chemicals and surgeries that can have lasting impacts on their bodies and minds. Children should be given the chance to explore themselves and their surroundings in a way that is not based around strict expectations of gender. This is clearly an important issue for feminists everywhere as one of feminism's goals is to expose and oppose abuses against the bodies of women and girls all over the world and throughout history.
Feminist principles also reject the growing medicalization of human bodies. Most feminists are appalled when stories circulate about girls being put into tanning beds, paraded on stage in hair-extensions and fake eyelashes or posed like a porn star in high-end fashion magazines. The majority of feminists express concern over a society that is obsessed with “perfecting” bodies in the cosmetic surgery industry. Why, then, would feminists just sit back on the topic of giving a 8 year old girl-child hormone replacement drugs that block puberty and or have her undergo permanently life-altering surgeries? I realize the debate is a contentious, emotional and often offensive one, but simply shutting down discussion because it is controversial serves no purpose and ignores many genuine concerns.
I hope all of my readers get a chance to listen to the interview with Susan Stryker as well as the remaining two interviews -- I found the broadcast to be fair and responsible, informative and intriguing. I guarantee that you will learn plenty from both sides of the debate.
Feminist principles also reject the growing medicalization of human bodies. Most feminists are appalled when stories circulate about girls being put into tanning beds, paraded on stage in hair-extensions and fake eyelashes or posed like a porn star in high-end fashion magazines. The majority of feminists express concern over a society that is obsessed with “perfecting” bodies in the cosmetic surgery industry. Why, then, would feminists just sit back on the topic of giving a 8 year old girl-child hormone replacement drugs that block puberty and or have her undergo permanently life-altering surgeries? I realize the debate is a contentious, emotional and often offensive one, but simply shutting down discussion because it is controversial serves no purpose and ignores many genuine concerns.
I hope all of my readers get a chance to listen to the interview with Susan Stryker as well as the remaining two interviews -- I found the broadcast to be fair and responsible, informative and intriguing. I guarantee that you will learn plenty from both sides of the debate.
Notes:
Lefton, Brannon, Boyes, Ogden. (2008). Psychology. Child Development. p. 395.
Sharp, L.A. (2001). Commodification of the Body and its Parts.
CTV News (2012). Transgender kids get puberty-blocking drugs, hormones. Retrieved from http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Health/20120220/transgender-puberty-treatment-children-20120220/#ixzz1ufv5GiMLArt: “Untitled (your body is a battleground)” by Barbara Kruger, 1989
The fact of the matter is there are a lot of children and teens that know they feel wrong in their body. They grow into adults and still feel the same way. Now, it will differ from person to person. People come to this realization at different points in their life. But that isn’t to say that there are many children that do know themselves enough to feel like they are in the wrong body and forcing them to go through an incorrect puberty can cause a lot of unnecessary suffering for them. Depression, suicide, self-harm, etc. are all way too common among trans kids.
ReplyDeletePuberty blockers will delay puberty to give kids enough time before they make any solid decisions. They can’t have surgery until they are 18 so all that is being offered to them until that point is reversible if they change their mind. Puberty isn’t reversible, and it can do a lot of damage to those kids.
I do take issue with you comparing puberty blockers to tanning beds and fake eyelashes. Someone who feels they are not living up to the conventional societal beauty standards is not the same as someone who suffers from gender dysphoria. They are two very separate issues. Gender dysphoria is about identity, not vanity.
We can assume that if society stopped pushing tanning, hair extensions, dieting, fake eyelashes, etc. as ways to achieve a certain perceived level of attractiveness that a lot of people would not feel so compelled to go out and get a tan or hair extensions or whatever.
But the fact that gender dysphoria exists is not to be blamed on society and it’s limited view of gender. Even if our society got rid of it’s binary approach to gender and accepted the wide variety of gender identities/expressions that are out there, there would still be many people suffering from gender dysphoria.
And, with all that said, I very much enjoy your blog and think you should post more. :)
It is clearly abuse to put young children on hormones that may have negative impacts on their health for the rest of their life. I don't believe in the idea that a biological male for example, is really a woman. But even the NHS in the UK says officially that amongst children diagnosed with gender dysphoria, 75-80% will not have the condition after puberty.
ReplyDeleteAnon,
ReplyDeleteThank you for providing some insight even though i rarely publish anon comments just due to some people abusing it. Regardless, I appreciate your points. However, you mentioned suicide and depression among trans kids -- I would argue that teens (trans or not) and particularly gay and lesbian teens take part in self-harm, suffer depression and commit suicide at higher than normal levels. A lot of non-LGBT kids, too, are taking their own lives...I think it has to do with a multitude of reasons in our rapidly changing capitalist society. I think there are underlying reasons for the high-rates of unhappiness and pain in so many young people...
I think teens are simply becoming unhappier as time goes on and society is becoming more alienated from humanity. I know i felt those things as a teen and took part in self-harm and feelings of severe self-hatred. It seems to be taking over a lot of youth's lives now-a-days...and it's heartbreaking to me.
I did read, however, an article about at least one child who was given surgery before the age of 18 because their parents decided to do it for them. Kids can be given surgeries as long as they have parental permission, as far as I have researched. Kids don't really have rights because of this ability of parents, IMO.
As for the eye-lashes and tanning beds, what i was getting at was outstanding boom in bodily alteration in the last 10 years or so. There has been a growing molding, appropriating and altering of kids that i believe is attached directly to the boom in bio-medicine and pharmaceutical industries. Eyelashes and hair extensions have to do with creating a gender caricature, though right? To present some form of culturally approved gender role? I think all forms of bodily alterations of children are important for feminism to look into. Also, I struggle with the rapid expansion of psychiatric illnesses. Gender dysphoria is a very new addition, along with many other "new" disorders, How would someone decide if a child has "gender dysphoria" or simply acts in a way that isn't stereotypically "boy or girl?" -- for example, i dressed in all boy clothes growing up, i rejected ALL culturally-assigned "girl things" -- i kept my breasts hidden and i refused to "act like a girl" but in no way did my parents try to diagnose me with "dysphoria" they just let me be a kid without the restraints of gender norms. How do parents decide? Why do parents get to decide where to "fit" their child? What did parents do with kids before all of these new childhood mental illnesses came out? Now every kid has a psychiatric illness or a developmental disorder, we're all just supposed to accept it as a natural order of things...but i think that psychiatry's attempt to medicalize and standardize children is something that should be deeply considered by feminists.
Anyway, thank you for your input and for reading!
Owl Eyes,
ReplyDeleteStudies show that up to 41% of transgender people have attempted suicide. It’s a pretty significant issue within the community. Now, of course you have teens across the board who are suffering from depression, self-harm, suicide, etc. And the reasons for why this is will vary depending on a number of different factors. With kids/teens who suffer from gender dysphoria, we can be pretty certain by way of personal testimony that their gender dysphoria has caused many of them them to suffer from depression, to self-harm, and to attempt suicide. There’s no need for guessing or theorizing, just listen to different transgender people’s experiences. The good thing is we’ve seen many of these kids/teens benefit emotionally from being treated. Being treated doesn’t put a bandaid over the problem, it really does help fix the problem.
The youngest person to be given surgery was 16. She’s from the UK and had to travel to Thailand to get it done. It’s not legal in most places to get it done under the age of 18 regardless of whether or not parental permission is given. That includes North America.
Eyelashes and hair-extensions would have more to do with gender expression, not gender identity. Transitioning would have to do with gender identity. So, again, I don’t see how the two can be compared. There’s a misconception that people transition so their gender expression can match up with their identity and then they can lead normal conventional lives that fit really nicely into the stereotypical male/female binary. The fact that butch trans-women and femme trans-men do exist should destroy that myth. I had a friend, and there are many more like him in the world, who growing up was considered to be a complete girly-girl. And he had no problem being considered “girly”, he just had a problem with being considered a “girl.” Before he transitioned, he was considered by society to be a very conventional female that liked “girly” things. Now, he’s considered to be a not so conventional male that likes “girly” things.
Being a little girl who likes to play with boys toys, dress up as a boy, and/or wishes to be identified as a boy alone would not be enough for the girl to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria usually causes a person to have a lot of emotional distress over their own body. It’s different from someone who feels their body isn’t matching up to some societal beauty standards. It’s genuinely just not identifying with your body as it is. It’s something innate, disconnected from societal and cultural influence. Some children resort to mutilating their own genitals. It’s also not for the parents to diagnose or decide. They can look at their child and see a potential for gender dysphoria, and they can decide to take their child to a professional to further explore the possibility. At that point the child may or may not be diagnosed with gender dysphoria. At the end of the day, it's about what would be best for the child's emotional well-being.
Thanks for saying it better then I could anon...I was on the feminisms thread and got kind of mad how I was accused of being an MRA because I *gasp* said bran scans show differences.
DeleteOwl-Eyes...I actally used to agree with this too that kids were WAY to young to be diagnosed and shouldn't be given puberty blockers...then I reliezed that it wasn't for me to decide...if a girl or boy is saying they are really the other gender and it is causing them distress then they should be listened to.
Thank you for posting this, BK. I respect you.
ReplyDelete"The fact of the matter is there are a lot of children and teens that know they feel wrong in their body."
ReplyDeleteThen they need counseling, not chemical castration.
When I was little, I always thought I shoulda been born male cuz I loved toys "for boys", hated dresses... Occasionally I thought like that, in Jr. High I was told I was a "cross-dresser" by males in my class because I was into skateboarding and wore baggier clothes. No guys wanted to date me because of it.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I started reading riotgrrrl zines, took a women's lit course and I began to study gender.
Had I not questioned gender critically - perhaps I would have transitioned or taken hormones - who knows... I'm so thankful I never did that kind of thing - even tho my teens were horrible. Certainly I was depressed and confused but step by step, I began to realize gender is a vehicle for mass consumption and misogyny.
Now instead of feeling bad I do not fit in, I feel kind of proud that I overcame it, all that pressure to conform. My physical body and how I present myself has nothing to do with my mind, my intelligence.
Hey Anon!
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing your story and feelings here, it is a very insightful addition to the conversation. I love hearing about how women went through so many similar things that I went through and so many other women i know went through. Seems like we've all felt *in the wrong body* as girls...
I also thought/felt the same way, i distinctly remember saying, after i was told (at 6 years old) to "put a shirt on, you're a girl" that i wanted to be a boy. I wore all "boy clothes" too and had almost all male friends...I knew boys got to do more and i was always told "you can't do that, because you're a girl..." Isn't it strange how we take that message and internalize it? We start to hate our bodies and wish for them to be something else to alleviate the oppression we face as women? It's stupid how women are expected to look/act a certain way to be a woman...it's oppressive as hell. I am so happy to hear you found inner power and self-love that has allowed you to accept yourself, mind and body. Thank you so much for commenting :)
A couple of thoughts. (Disclaimer: I'm a cis lesbian, so any information I have about transpeople's experiences comes second-hand.)
ReplyDelete1) Like many GLBT people, I knew from a very early age that I was different. I didn't have the words to conceptualize it--especially because I grew up in a very fundamentalist home--but I was always different from my peers, and have many early childhood memories of trying to force myself to play straight and be like them. So, it's not out of the question for me to believe that young trans kids experience the same thing. Most trans people that I've met or read (not all) say that they were aware from a very early age.
2) I believe parents should allow their children to express whatever gender they feel they are. Even if it changes from day to day. Especially for children, gender can be fluid. Forcing a kid to confom to an image they don't identify with can be devesating. My mom said, "You're not a lesbian; stop dressing like a lesbian," iradicating and invalidating my identity. It was dreadful; I can imagine that it would be much worse for your parents to essentially deny the very core of your being, even beyond your orientation: who you are as a person.
3) That said, kids can be wrong, kids grow up, kids change their minds. I vacillated wildly through my teen and young adult years...am I a boy in a girl's body (first thought), am I a lesbian (second, I hung there for a while), am I bisexual (freaked out after I realized I found some guys attractive), am I asexual (because I didn't care about sex at all, really)...now, if I'm forced to, I identify as a lesbian romantic asexual (want romantic relationships with women exclusively, don't really want sex), and I don't let it bug me when twice a year or so I get horny or see a guy I think is pretty cute. So, I'm against doing procedures on children that are irreversable. I don't believe they have the ability to fully consent, and just like I believe parents shouldn't pick-and-choose genatalia for their intersex babies, I don't think they should be allowed to consent on their kids behalf to irreversable surgery.
4) Okay, THAT said, puberty itself is pretty fucking irreversable, and causes a lot of trauma (see the high suicide rate already mentioned). So I have no problem with trans kids (working with their parents and doctor, of course) who use something like Lupron to delay puberty. I was on Lupron as a teenager (I had severe PCOS and endometriosis, and a clotting disorder that makes it so I can't use hormonal birth control) and I haven't had any problems since going off of it. Sure, there are side-effects and risks, but there are with any medication, and I think this is one of those times when the benefits are more important.
I'm not entirely comfortable commenting on this. I'm not trans, I don't know what it's like to be a trans kid growing up. I don't want to tell someone else what their experience and identity is (ie: 'You can't know you're trans when you're a child'), but I also believe we have to balance that with protections for kids who can't always see the consequences fo their actions, or fully understand something as complex as gender identity. Eh, my thoughts, for what they're worth. I'd really like to hear more from trans people on this, though.